The return

May. 29th, 2015 12:09 pm
liv: Stylised sheep with blue, purple, pink horizontal stripes, and teacup brand, dreams of Dreamwidth (sheeeep)
[personal profile] liv
After 6 years of using LJ just to keep up with my friends who are still there, I'm somewhat favourably disposed to the site again. I mean, I'm still annoyed that they silently took the Open Source code private; I'm fine with them making a profit from 15 years of work, much of it by volunteers, but I am less happy with them ceasing to give back to the community that made the site what it is. And they still have adverts, but they seem to have moved away from a business model based on forcing ever-more intrusive adverts on users, and towards a model of paying for premium services.

Regarding Dreamwidth itself, well. I think after 6 years we can agree that it's stable and functional and not just some passing fad. I perceive it as way more active than LJ, and better for meeting interesting strangers. There are many respects in which it's just technically better, better UI and better accessibility and search that actually works. And I basically hate the current look-and-feel of LJ, both the desktop and mobile versions look awful to me. Also I still love DW's business model of a sustainable site completely independent of advertising or venture capital or payment processors who want to censor legal content, and I love its commitment not just to Open Source principles but to welcoming and training newbies and providing a non-awful environment for contributors. But DW is very clearly being maintained rather than developed (and yes, [staff profile] denise keeps promising that we're just paying down technical debt and there will be features released any day now, but I've been hearing that for too many years to really believe it any more), so it's getting to the point where LJ is ahead on features and just generally feels more modern.

So I sounded out how my LJ readers feel about my starting up cross-posting again, and that was enough to sway me towards returning. Not so much the numbers who voted in my poll, but the fact that several people I thought had drifted away from LJ years ago turned out to be still there, silently reading. And unlike in 2009 nobody seems to be worried about the security implications of DW knowing my LJ password (sensible ways of doing distributed authentication being yet another feature that DW has been promising for years and is probably never going to actually deliver). I do think the thing of split discussions is annoying, but it's also annoying for people who wouldn't otherwise use DW to have to follow me over here, so I hope it balances out.

Since I'm actively posting again, I've been trying to tidy up my filters. I had forgotten just how bad the interface was for friends list management; DW's isn't great but it doesn't do things like divide the list into pages and lose changes when you move further down the alphabet without saving, yet jump you back to the beginning of the list rather than where you were up to when you do press Save, ugh ugh ugh. Anyway, I hope I haven't accidentally unfriended and refriended people several times because of the interface horribleness. I'm not quite sure how I'm going to make cross-posting locked entries work, in fact; I think maybe I have to create two filters with the same names on both sites or something. And boy do I miss DW's WTF innovation of splitting subscribing off from giving access to private stuff! I'll figure it out somehow; I rarely make locked posts anyway, so it's not a big roadblock.

I feel like... coming back to a house that had been shut up for 6 years. It's infuriating because nothing is quite where I expect it to be, and I've got used to living somewhere far more modern and convenient, and the neighbourhood has changed and not entirely for the better. But it's also incredibly nostalgic, this place was home and deeply important to me from 2003 to 2009. So, hi. It's a bit dusty and disorganized round here, but please do make yourselves at home. In spite of my ambivalence it's good to be back.

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Date: 2015-05-29 11:21 am (UTC)
highlyeccentric: Semlocker that ever he syge soth mot no mon saye (Angel - SGGK guinevere)
From: [personal profile] highlyeccentric
*tilts head* there have been new features in DW in the past year or so, haven't there? I'm using one right now to reply from my reading page. Reading from phones got a ton easier in the past six months, too.

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Date: 2015-05-29 11:31 am (UTC)
highlyeccentric: Sign on Little Queen St - One Way both directions (Default)
From: [personal profile] highlyeccentric
And yes, you need to set up filters with those names on DW to mirror your LJ ones. You can probably get DW to import them, actually.

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Date: 2015-05-29 11:52 am (UTC)
highlyeccentric: Sign on Little Queen St - One Way both directions (Default)
From: [personal profile] highlyeccentric
Quicker Reply is my bff these days.

The last news post listed a bunch more respnsive design things that I didn't understand - i almost never understand the list of 'stuff we did' in text-format, it's when i see it on my dash that I notice. So I generally suppose that whatever's been going on has been happening where I can't see it, eg, for screenreaders.

I did notice the drop-off in frequency of news posts in the past year or so. Less news means less stuff happening, i assume?

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Date: 2015-05-29 08:15 pm (UTC)
andrewducker: (Default)
From: [personal profile] andrewducker
Yes. This has been bothering me too.

It bothered me when Brad was like this for LJ, and things got stuck a lot. It bothers me as much with Denise, because we were promised that things would be more Open, and then communication all dried up.

And I don't blame her for being in pain. But I do wish that she'd delegate more, and lead rather than trying to do it all herself.

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Date: 2015-05-30 06:21 am (UTC)
siderea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] siderea
also for historical reasons we don't really have a functional bug tracker any more

Wait. What?

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Date: 2015-05-29 11:39 am (UTC)
sfred: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sfred
I've added you on LJ too because I like to be able to see all the comments on a post, but won't be offended if you want to keep DW people just on DW.

I experience DW as a bit more active than LJ, too, but I still have some friends who live only on LJ.

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Date: 2015-05-29 03:30 pm (UTC)
redbird: closeup of me drinking tea (Default)
From: [personal profile] redbird
I handle cross-posting by setting up access filters here with names that match my LJ access-and-reading filters, and then I can just tell it to use (say) the "sweeties" filter here, and it will use the same-named filter on LJ. I have a lot more LJ filters, but the DW cross-poster doesn't care, it only cares that if I use a filter name, it exists on the LJ side.

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Date: 2015-05-30 11:03 am (UTC)
cjwatson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cjwatson
Yeah, I do this too. It works, but it does spook me a bit, partly because I have a strong assumption that there is no reason for things of the same name on different sites to be in any way connected, and partly because I have a nagging feeling that if something went wrong somewhere then a post to a custom filter might easily accidentally end up being just friends-only. So I use it, but I always always check that the crossposted result has the security settings I expect.

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Date: 2015-05-29 03:46 pm (UTC)
damerell: NetHack. (normal)
From: [personal profile] damerell
I suppose what strikes me about this is I would say that the current look-and-feel of LJ is revolting _because_ it is developed, not maintained. That DW doesn't change under my feet is, to me, a feature, not a bug. I care way less about photoposting than I do about not having to rebind my fingers and brain.

Of course, we are not the same person.

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Date: 2015-05-29 04:17 pm (UTC)
ayebydan: (iker)
From: [personal profile] ayebydan
I feel dw has very much remained as is for several years but as the as is suits me I have no worried too much about it. I enjoy the simplicity of it. The real thing that got to me with lj were the comment sections. People were getting ill trying to read them and such and I too struggled. I was not ill but certainly strained my eyes on them. It seems to have settled into a better way of things these days. I find far more interesting people on dw but fandom things still seem to cling to lj.

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Date: 2015-05-29 05:25 pm (UTC)
rysmiel: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rysmiel
fwiw, I never have figured out how to make DW give me text in the format I have strong accessibility-based preferences for, and LJ doing that very straightforwardly is a large part of why I stay there; I doubt that's a conscious design decision on either side because my particular combination of visual issues seems likely to be a very small constituency indeed.
Edited Date: 2015-05-29 06:12 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2015-05-29 05:04 pm (UTC)
skibbley: Grant wearing a straw hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] skibbley
Welcome back

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Date: 2015-05-29 08:16 pm (UTC)
andrewducker: (Default)
From: [personal profile] andrewducker
I get vastly more comments on LJ than DW. Which is a huge shame, really. I was hoping that more people would migrate.

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Date: 2015-05-29 10:11 pm (UTC)
altamira16: A sailboat on the water at dawn or dusk (Default)
From: [personal profile] altamira16
I get more comments and interaction on LiveJournal too. That is why I tend to read it first and comment there unless people force me to comment here. I love that reading and giving people the ability to read your stuff are decoupled over here. I love that feature.

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Date: 2015-06-01 06:43 pm (UTC)
andrewducker: (Default)
From: [personal profile] andrewducker
I would be happy if the readers all switched over to DW instead though. I wonder if there's just a sense of intertia.

(Although I can't get to my DW from work, so I'd be having to make comments from my phone, which would be annoying.)

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