Portable computing?
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So I have managed to kill the keyboard on my netbook, an old-school Asus Eee from about 2008 ish. I suspect that the reason why this happened is that my use-case is that I sling the netbook in my backpack and take it with me on my regular 4-hour train journeys, most of which I spend writing several thousand word emails.
It looks to me as if the niche occupied by the Eee PCs doesn't really exist any more: what I want is a portable computer with a "real" keyboard, which is also cheap because it's low-end when it comes to spec. Now it seems like there's souped-up ultrabooks, which are light and powerful but also commensurately expensive, and there's tablets, with the possibility of perhaps getting a stand with a portable keyboard, maybe. I have heard rumours that there's a new model Eee but I've never actually seen it for sale!
Does anyone have any good suggestions, recs or anti-recs?
I need something that's physically robust because I am not just going to be "checking my email" and playing the odd round of Angry Birds, I'm going to be spending several hours a week touch-typing at speed. I am not sure that a tablet plus portable keyboard is going to last long enough to be worth it, though against that, off-brand tablets can be very well priced compared to the power you get. I want long battery life, 4-6 hours or more if possible, and I want light, certainly under 2 kg and preferably under 1.5 kg.
I want to keep the price low, not so much because I can't afford a fancy ultrabook, but because I don't want to carry around something that costs several weeks' salary, I would be constantly worried about losing it, dropping it or getting it stolen. And because this is a secondary computer, already a luxury, so there are other things I'd rather spend lots of money on. I'm very willing to compromise on screen resolution and graphics, processor speed, multimedia features etc, and I'm even somewhat willing to compromise on battery life and weight.
Thank you to
flippac for helping me start to think about this. Options I'm considering are:
Get the keyboard fixed. I like my Eee, it suits me very well. And it's better for the environment to repair rather than replace a dead laptop. The downside is that replacing a keyboard on an obsolete netbook probably costs nearly as much as a new machine which would benefit from 5-6 years of Moore's law. And my Eee is elderly, it barely manages 90 minutes battery life which is too little if I can't get a seat with a power socket.
Borrow
jack's netbook, which is an Acer of a similar vintage. The spec is somewhat better than for my Eee, and it's obviously good both financially and environmentally to repurpose an old and barely used computer. But it's running this really weird cut-down version of Linux which appears not to have any option to install software or upgrade the OS. I think what I need to do if I go down this route is to figure out how to install (probably a legacy version of) Ubuntu from a pendrive; I know the basics, but right now I can't discover how to get into the BIOS.
Chromebook. That does fulfil the criteria of being cheap-ish and portable. However, I remain extremely unconvinced by the Chrome OS, it looks very much as if it expects everything to be "in the cloud" and my main use-case is that I want to download emails when I'm at home and reply to them offline, I don't at all want to have to pay for (possibly unreliable) internet access just to be able to write emails.
This ducky little Lenovo convertible laptop - thanks again,
flippac, for finding that for me. It's a bit more expensive than what I'd really like, especially since it's "only" 1 GB of RAM, but as a convertible, it may well be a bit the best of both worlds and it isn't as ludicrously expensive as most convertibles. And it's Android, which I think is better than Chrome OS but still involves selling my soul to Google.
Simply use my phone as a secondary computer. This is less ridiculous than it sounds since it's a Galaxy Note with a high-res, 6'' screen, so essentially it's a mini-tablet. But I think it's too small really for composing long documents, and although writing with the stylus plus Dragon's rather excellent predictive keyboard, Swype, is a lot better than I expected, it's still vastly slower than touch-typing.
Small tablet. There are plenty of quite high spec 8'' tablets retailing for a reasonable price, even if I have to buy a physical keyboard separately. I think the main downside of this is that I am not sure whether a portable keyboard is going to be good enough, and it's one more thing to remember and keep track of when I'm already carrying too many devices. Also I think 8'' may still be too small, though since that's a diagonal it is quite a lot bigger than my phone which is nearly big enough.
Off-brand 10'' tablet. Same problem of needing an external keyboard, but this does fulfil my criteria of being willing to sacrifice features and processor speed for price.
Suck it up and spend money on a fancy ultrabook type machine. I'm mostly inclined against this because I need something which is small in dimensions as well as small in weight, and I don't think it's worth spending lots of money on this sort of toy. Although I could use the ultrabook as an actual work computer which also happens to be portable, maybe.
Any opinions regarding cannibalizing old equipment versus buying new? Tablets versus netbooks? Brand recommendations?
It looks to me as if the niche occupied by the Eee PCs doesn't really exist any more: what I want is a portable computer with a "real" keyboard, which is also cheap because it's low-end when it comes to spec. Now it seems like there's souped-up ultrabooks, which are light and powerful but also commensurately expensive, and there's tablets, with the possibility of perhaps getting a stand with a portable keyboard, maybe. I have heard rumours that there's a new model Eee but I've never actually seen it for sale!
Does anyone have any good suggestions, recs or anti-recs?
I need something that's physically robust because I am not just going to be "checking my email" and playing the odd round of Angry Birds, I'm going to be spending several hours a week touch-typing at speed. I am not sure that a tablet plus portable keyboard is going to last long enough to be worth it, though against that, off-brand tablets can be very well priced compared to the power you get. I want long battery life, 4-6 hours or more if possible, and I want light, certainly under 2 kg and preferably under 1.5 kg.
I want to keep the price low, not so much because I can't afford a fancy ultrabook, but because I don't want to carry around something that costs several weeks' salary, I would be constantly worried about losing it, dropping it or getting it stolen. And because this is a secondary computer, already a luxury, so there are other things I'd rather spend lots of money on. I'm very willing to compromise on screen resolution and graphics, processor speed, multimedia features etc, and I'm even somewhat willing to compromise on battery life and weight.
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Any opinions regarding cannibalizing old equipment versus buying new? Tablets versus netbooks? Brand recommendations?
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Date: 2014-06-17 12:24 pm (UTC)I use a Zagg keyboard case on my iPad (the iPad flips down into the case, the case acts as a stand, case joined by Bluetooth.) The case gets something like 80 hours on a battery charge, and it'll turn itself off if it's not used for a while: I don't use the keyboard heavily except if travelling, but I basically charge it before I travel and rarely run out the battery between trips.
I touch-type about 85 words a minute, and while I think I'm a little slower on the iPad than my main computer, it's not by much (in comparison, I *despise* typing on a screen, because it slows me down to a quarter of my usual.) The one thing I do hit that can be annoying (and is worth looking at the keyboard layout for) is that the 'lock this tablet' button and the delete button are right on top of each other, and hitting the former when I wanted the latter is tedious.
The iPad itself runs between 8-9 hours battery life if I'm doing mostly text, though about half that if I'm doing video (as I often do if I'm travelling by myself, watching something, and knitting.) I suspect that there's a number of non-iOs tablets out there with fairly similar battery lives these days. (My iPad 2 is going on 2.5)
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Date: 2014-06-17 12:33 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-06-17 12:54 pm (UTC)(And yeah. I was dubious about how much difference the keyboard would make, and then a friend lent me her case for a weekend while I was at a convention, and I went home and ordered one. I can't do everything on the combo that I would do on a home computer, but I can do 95% of what I do most often, even if it's sometimes a little clunky.)
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Date: 2014-06-17 08:09 pm (UTC)For the pendrive, I don't think it needs to be FAT32, it just needs to be bootable; the Ubuntu wiki has instructions on making a bootable pendrive. The default Ubuntu desktop deal is now Unity, which I loathe but which is less horrible on a lightweight netbook where you only really want to be doing one or two things at a time; alternatively, you can install Xubuntu, which
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Date: 2014-06-17 08:19 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-06-17 01:20 pm (UTC)I found some problems under Windows 8.1 with legacy software I'm using, but if you are just using it for standard operations rather than running an Information Manager originally acquired in MS-DOS days for my research notes, I don't think there would be any.
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Date: 2014-06-17 02:35 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2014-06-17 02:40 pm (UTC)I suppose my question is, what compromise have you made between something which is physically small enough to carry and use on a crowded train, but has a big enough screen for doing actual work? I kind of think I want something 10'' or maybe 12'' for the former, but at least 15'' for the latter... Maybe a modern screen with high enough resolution is ok with a physically smaller size?
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Date: 2014-06-18 11:51 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-06-17 02:57 pm (UTC)If you want to do actual work I wouldn't go smaller than 10-12", but if you go up to 15" you're getting into the expectation of using it like a desktop, weight wise.
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Date: 2014-06-17 03:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2014-06-17 09:35 pm (UTC)My partner is very *very* happy with his high-end Chromebook, having been less happy with a much cheaper one. They do a certain amount of offline, but you would really be fighting it's basic assumptions a lot of the time.
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Date: 2014-06-17 10:10 pm (UTC)My current mobile setup is an iPad mini (1st generation) with a keyboard case. If I wanted to write lots and lots, I'd splash for an Apple Bluetooth keyboard, which is lightweight, and has wonderful keys, but it's somewhat less than ultra-portable.
The iPad mini is small enough that I can hold it in one hand and type with the other if necessary; this makes tables desirable but not strictly necessary.
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Date: 2014-06-18 05:42 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2014-06-23 12:52 am (UTC)I have a much loved Eee 901, which I am going to mourn greatly when it dies. It really is a lovely form factor, and sticking 2G RAM and Lubuntu on it makes it even better.
When someone was selling Eee 900s very cheaply, I got one as a spare and it's almost as new, but it's noticeably poorer - the keyboard isn't as good (it's easy to mis the od leter out on it), I know the battery life is much worse (I've never bothered to charge it), and it runs hotter. It's also got Lubuntu, but I didn't bother with the RAM in the expectation that if I did end up using it more, I'd move the stick of RAM from the 901 into it.
There are alternatives from that era Samsung called theirs the NC10, I think, but the issue is going to be battery life unless you factor in getting a new genuine one, and I suspect those are now in short supply.
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Date: 2014-07-13 11:12 pm (UTC)The X200/X201 are solid, compact (12" screen) and quite fast. The X61, which I bought second hand years ago, is even cheaper. X200 stuff goes for about 150-200 quid. X61 or X60 are cheaper than that, I wouldn't bother with anything earlier - it's too slow now.
The only weakness is that the graphics chipset is rather poor if you want to run accelerated games, but that's not what the machine is aimed at. Also, the battery life of a second hand laptop will never be brilliant, but shouldn't be dire.
Should support Windows 7 fine, there's not much about Windows 8 on Lenovo's site. http://forum.thinkpads.com/ may be informative.
Widely available on Morgan Computers, ebay and other discount/refurbished stores.