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Firstly, let me point everybody to this post of [livejournal.com profile] leora's about the so-called archiving service that is floating about on the meme-waves right now. Just in case it isn't completely obvious to everyone how much of a Bad Fucking Idea this is, [livejournal.com profile] leora spells it out very clearly.

If you want to make a local backup of your own entries, which is more of a good idea, LJArchive is very good in lots of ways. Highly usable, open source and generally yummy. However, it's Windows based. If you use a sensible operating system I'm less able to help you, but if you use a sensible OS and understand Perl, you may find this stuff helpful. Or you may not, but I think that's where to start looking.
Addendum 4.3.05: Apparently, it is not in fact as obvious as I thought why this archiving service is evil. Let me spell this out in so many words: giving your password to a site you know nothing about is stupid. Even if you're prepared to take that risk for yourself, letting them use that password to read and make public copies of other people's Friends Only entries is not acceptable IMO. Even if you disagree with me, please do not "archive" my Friends Only entries offsite. I have no way of enforcing this, but I would be very, very pissed off I found someone was breaching my privacy like that.

Anyway, having got that out of the way. My last post was a bit of a rant about scientific illiteracy compounded by mystification of fairly basic science. In the comments, it kind of degenerated into a general bitchfest about the state of education. So to follow that up, my challenge for the day is this:

Can you name one thing that everybody should know but few people actually do? Because I'm feeling mean this morning, I'm restricting you to one thing. And it has to be described in 100 words or less, mainly because I'm trying to exclude cheating definitions of 'one thing' that are actually several distinct things.

Proposals for how ignorance of your chosen topic might be combatted are welcome, and can be as long as you like. Vague proposals such as 'make primary school education work properly' will be frowned upon, however. I may give prizes for the best suggestions.
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Date: 2005-03-04 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neonchameleon.livejournal.com
Fact: Money is intrinsically worthless, with its value being enforced by collective belief. (Even the "Gold Standard" or the like doesn't help much...)

Reasons: Firstly, if people realise that money is just a consentual myth, they will probably worry less about it and be less greedy. Secondly, it should get people to care more about social justice as there is little inherent reason for catastrophic injustices if the differences are ultimately consentual mythology. Thirdly, it is highly subversve to teach people this and should show them both the power of collective belief and get them to question what else fits into this category.

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Date: 2005-03-04 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
I think everyone should understand enough probability and statistics that they are not misled by spurious presentations of data. It would be nice too if we could avoid newspaper headlines such as "50% of students score below avesage in province wide tests - parents demand minister resign".

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Date: 2005-03-04 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] rho
Yes, you truly are mean for limitting us to only one thing.

Probably not the most important or valuable thing that I could think up, but I really, really wish that more people had a moderate grasp of how to do menta; arithmetic. I'm not talking division of 7 digits numbers to give an answer to seven significant figures or anything, here. I'm talking "how to add eight to ninety-five without reaching for a calculator". Really basic things, and how to do quick ballpark approximations for slightly more complicated stuff would be helpful.

I think that the best way to combat that problem is to stop people from using calculators so early. I know that I wasn't allowed a calculator at all until I was in second year of high school (age 12), whereas kids these days seem to be starting using them a whole lot earlier.

It would also be nifty if some time and effort was taken on teaching mental arithmetic to slightly older children. The assumption generally seems to be that you teach kids how to do basic arithmetic when they're young, and as soon as they can do that, you give them a calculator so they don't need to do it any more. Which isn't at all effective, partly because you need lots of practice -- preferably while in the process of working out something else -- to really get the hang of it, and partly because some of the tricks and techniques may be a little tricky for younger kids to properly get their heads around.

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Date: 2005-03-04 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ixwin.livejournal.com
I'm not convinced that mental arithmetic really is that useful. (Though my opinion may be influenced by the fact that, despite being mathematically literate, I've never been terribly good at it)

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Date: 2005-03-04 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnimmel.livejournal.com
That all the other people are real, valid human beings too. I mean, it's something that everyone knows in a conceptual way, but it tends to get rounded down to 'people I know who aren't asylum seekers, don't have a criminal record, don't look threatening and are roughly in my income bracket' all too often.

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Date: 2005-03-04 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] rho
There are more useful skills, sure, but I definitely think mental arithmetic has its uses. For instance:

Making sure that the shop assistant gives you the right change.
Figuring out how much you're actually going to have to pay when you see "Sale! One third off marked price!"
Having a firm idea of the order of magnitude of any calculation you do with a computer or calculator, so you know straight away if you make a dumb error when entering the data.
Conversion between units
Scaling up a recipe
Estimating a time of arrival if you know distance and speed

And so on. I'm sure I could think of more if I wanted to.

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Date: 2005-03-04 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ixwin.livejournal.com
Orders of magnitude are useful, I agree, but I think mental arithmetic is only part of that skill - being able to spot whether the inputs themselves look sensible is just as important. As is knowing what's sensible to combine & what isn't - e.g. silly figures like "Members of the local weightwatchers group lost over 150lbs between them this month!"


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Date: 2005-03-04 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robhu.livejournal.com
  • The skills to think critically
  • An understanding of basic risk
  • An understanding of sample sizes / realiability
  • Importance of peer review
If people had those basic science skills then the MMR furore would never have happened for instance.

(no subject)

Date: 2005-03-04 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beckyzoole.livejournal.com
Sensible risk analysis, which is a subset of probability and statistics. People get incredibly worried about things that have very little likelihood of ever happening to them, and yet inexplicably ignore very probable dangers.

(Actually, probability was my immediate response, but someone else got there first!)

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Date: 2005-03-04 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tammy.livejournal.com
You've been archived, my dear. : /

http://www.frienditto.com/users/livredor/78674.html

(no subject)

Date: 2005-03-04 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com
Gahh, only one thing ? At least when [livejournal.com profile] misia did this we got to pick five... I'm vacillating between reasonable understanding of evolutionary principles and how universally they apply, how to give a good backrub, and "Don't lie on my hair, damn it !"

(no subject)

Date: 2005-03-04 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quizcustodet.livejournal.com
Conservation of energy and momentum. Many and many of the junk science e-mails would be laughed out of existence if people just understood that you get nothing gratis.

How to fix it? I recommend lots of experiments with air tracks. And maybe for more advanced students, air hockey.

(no subject)

Date: 2005-03-04 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] draconid.livejournal.com
I'm not going to suggest anything. I just thought this was a perfect opportunity to mention the conversation Rat had at his work earlier in the week. His boss was horrified when a colleague didn't know what Camelot was (thinking it was one of the knights of the round table). While I'm quite surprised someone might not know this I realise that different people are interested in different things. Rat's boss went on for days about this supposedly "general knowledge" piece of information.

Anyway, I guess in answer to your question, I can't actually think of anything...

Re: Probability and statistics

Date: 2005-03-04 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
I'm really no expert on pedagogical strategies; especially when it comes to mass education.

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Date: 2005-03-05 12:29 am (UTC)
ext_14768: (being snippy and bitchy by itsaslashythi)
From: [identity profile] itsaslashything.livejournal.com
Seeing this message to explain them being down seems like grounds enough to stay far far far away. Not only does it appear that livejournal has had issues with them, they can't even spell the most simple of words!

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Date: 2005-03-05 02:09 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elusis.livejournal.com
Don't forget LJ Book. (http://www.ljbook.com/) It even archives comments.

And for my one thing, I'll take "correlation does not imply causality." Because I have to explain it to people over and over and over and over again. And then they still don't get it.

I propose implementing this with a large brick. Every time someone assumes that "A happens along with B" means "A causes B," I will hit them in the head with the brick. Then I'll point out "I could be hitting you with the brick because you keep committing a really stupid logical error. Or I could just be a bastard."

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Date: 2005-03-05 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leora.livejournal.com
In times of emergency or when someone needs help, most people will freeze up and be unsure what to do, By the time they decide action needs to be taken, most will convince themselves someone else must have acted by now or since no one else is acting, it must be the right thing to do. Know this and be the one who acts and others will usually be eager to help you, if given some basic direction.
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