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So a while back there was a meme for people to post anti-war songs. I thought that was a good meme, but at the time I didn't participate because I thought, I don't know any anti-war songs except really obvious ones like Universal Soldier and Blowing in the wind. I realized somewhat belatedly that I do in fact know the several Israeli anti-war songs, including the Song for Peace. I started composing a translation of it and found it was coming out with scansion. What I ended up with was not really a translation of the song as such, but a poem based on my (probably reliable) memory of my (almost certainly unreliable) transcription of the song. It's not really good enough for public but it's not bad enough to destroy and try to forget the memory of having written it, so here you go:

Let the sun rise
To light the morning –
Prayer's purest eyes
See no returning;
Whose light is out
Who sleeps in dust
No bitter shout
Brings back to us,
From death's dark pit
No man is raised.
All empty now are victory's joy
And songs of praise!

So only sing the song of peace,
Forget your mumbled prayers,
Better to sing the song of peace,
Shout it loud!


Let the sun shine
To greet the flowers.
Don't look behind;
The dead aren't ours.
We can't just say
"The day shall come!"
We'll bring that day,
We'll sing our song
In every town
From west to east,
Our many voices all as one
Shout out for peace.


It's so tempting right now to pray for peace. That would be the wrong thing to do for me personally, in my religious framework, if I don't also do something practical to make peace happen. I really don't know what though. Of course, it's far too easy to feel helpless to have any effect on distant foreign wars, but that feeling is worse right now, as a foreigner in a country where I have no contacts and don't know how these things work. Does anyone have any suggestions? Even something as simple as a charity I could donate to would be a good start.

And if you don't have any ideas about that, suggestions for improving the poemlet are also welcome. I'm particularly concerned about the line: All empty now are victory's joy / And songs of praise! because while it's obviously a plural statement grammatically, aesthetically it feels like it should be singlular. Any ideas?

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Date: 2006-07-13 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyssiae.livejournal.com
Would you expand a bit on why praying for peace would be wrong for you? I don't mean this to sound antagonistic, and apologise if it does; I'm simply curious.

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Date: 2006-07-15 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyssiae.livejournal.com
Ah! My apologies, I read that paragraph too hastily and didn't take enough care in really understanding it. Thanks for taking the time to explain a little.

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Date: 2006-07-13 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
Leaving aside the situation in Lebanon, if you're going to pray I suggest you pray for someone to knock together the heads of the senior figures in the Israeli and Palestinian administrations. All this demanding the release of known terrorists and Israel understandably rejecting it isn't getting anyone anywhere. What the Palestinians need to put on the table is: lighten up on us, and we'll release the soldier and lighten up on you. I wholeheartedly agree with the need for Israel to impose a military occupation in at least parts of the West Bank; I wholeheartedly disagree with the way it's being done. If Israel backed off—kept interference in Palestinian daily life to a minimum, stopped harrassing them according to a predetermined schedule, stopped cutting them off from their own land, etc—support for the terrorist cause would wither. (Not die completely, just wither.)

But the chances of getting the powers that be to see that, well *shrug*.

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Date: 2006-07-16 10:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
Well yes, but actually I was more ranting about the politics than wording for prayers...

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Date: 2006-07-13 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com
As good anti-war songs go, I'm sure I played you "House of Orange" when you were here, it's the one that always makes me cry.

Also, this I found rather heartening.

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Date: 2006-07-13 10:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redbird
I find it heartening that Harper is taking that position, but I think the other thing he's overlooking is that, to anyone who hates capitalism or the West, the United States is a much more obvious target. Were ethnic diversity sufficient, the World Trade Center would still be standing, and helping support the economy of one of our Chinatowns.

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Date: 2006-07-17 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com
It's very much yours though, it would seem presumptuous for me to post it.

I thank you for your consideration, but I'm not sure I think it would be, or would have been; "House of Orange" is very much a song reacting to terrorism in Ireland, yes, but causes are ashes where children lie slain strikes me as pretty much a universal, and their sons have no politics, none can recall/The causes of long generations before as a direction for hope, if not a perfect one. Which feels particularly right to me, living somewhere that had serious ethnic terrorism problems in 1970 which have been categorically eliminated; lots of places could I think learn from the example of the October Crisis in terms of balancing liberty and security.

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Date: 2006-07-13 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smhwpf.livejournal.com
Lovely song. Somehow "All empty now are songs of praise and victory's joy" seems to me to have a better ring to it, in terms of beat, even if it's the wrong way round. And it makes the plural sound better.

As for things to do - well, you know where I stand on all this if you read my journal at all, but - write to Ehud Olmert? Margaret Beckett? Can seem pretty lame, I know, but it's something. Subscribe to Gush Shalom (http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en), the Israeli peace campaign? Or European Jews for a Just Peace, who have a Swedish branch (http://www.jipf.nu/), with an English version of their website!

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Date: 2006-07-16 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smhwpf.livejournal.com
since you know both the peace movement and the Swedish scene

Ha, really don't know the Swedish scene (except some of the ISM Sweden people I met out there), as the language issue and the fact I was only there 8 months stopped me getting involved. I mean, the fact that while everyone speaks English, I felt I couldn't join groups out of work because I couldn't expect everyone else to speak English on my account. But I know, as you say, the peace movement, and I know Google. :)

...in some ways I would prefer to get involved with Jewish peace movements, because at least I don't have to worry that they might start blaming me for everything that is wrong with the world at the moment. Though in general I believe it is good for Jews to be seen to be involved in this sort of activism outside a specifically Jewish context.

Yeah... I think it's important to start somewhere you feel safe. And I think it's very valuable for Jewish groups to be saying, as Jews, "not in my name". (Did you see about the advert condeming Israel's Gaza campaign signed by 300+ British Jews btw?)

But why should they take an expat seriously?

Because you can still vote for them. UK Expats have voting rights in the UK for 15 years. (Most EU countries have no time limits for their citizens.) You may choose not to exercise that right, but they don't know that.:)

But yeah, British politics right now, yeek. Sweden's so much nicer in that regard! Though when I was there, it was right in the build-up to the Iraq war, I was there when it started, and it was frustrating in a way, I felt, as it were, hors de combat, as the Swedish government was always opposed to the war anyway. We had a very big demo for Sweden on Feb 15, about 35,000, but hardly compared to London!

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Date: 2006-07-16 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
(At this point I have absolutely given up on the UK government, mind you. I would possibly consider voting Labour if they radically changed their policy on just about every issue. This is irrelevant as I won't be voting in the UK for at least a couple of years though. And if things don't improve there I am probably not going to return.)

You used to consider that the UK was your country. Consider the way political pendulums swing back and forth; in the longer run nobody is ever going to have the government they would want in more than, on average, fifty per cent of the time; and at all times governments will do things you disapprove of. Also, no government's stand is going to match yours on all issues. Is this grounds to renounce your residency of your homeland? I don't remember a mass exodus of, say, trades unions activists and miners in the mid-eighties.

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Date: 2006-07-17 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com
in the longer run nobody is ever going to have the government they would want in more than, on average, fifty per cent of the time; and at all times governments will do things you disapprove of.

This isn't, to my mind, a qualitiative thing, but a quantitative one; how far can you live with the pendulum swinging ? [ This aside from the question of how much trust one has in the processes allowing it to swing back and forth, which is to my mind a very different question in the US than in Britain at the moment; the current US regime does not seem to have the concept of "loyal opposition" in their conceptual universe, and that's a vital one for any democracy. ]

I'm not at all fond of the current Conservative government in Canada, but things like Harper's speech that I linked to above, and the point - lost the link now, but I posted it in my journal a while back - where they basically were capable of admitting to having lost the battle wrt same-sex marriage and that they were therefore going to stop fighting it, make them people I'm still happy to live under, and, when I'm in a position to do so, exercise my vote against. I'd not live in the US under its current government for any reason I can easily envision. Not at all sure how I'd feel about living in Blairstrip One these days, but hopefully that won't be an issue ever again.

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Date: 2006-07-17 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
Not at all sure how I'd feel about living in Blairstrip One these days, but hopefully that won't be an issue ever again.

Well, for all he's in denial about it, we're not going to have Blair for much longer. "Would you like to go now, when half the country hates you, or at the end of your term, when everyone will hate you?" You'd have thought he might have learned from the fate of Mrs Thatcher...

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