Purim

Feb. 25th, 2013 06:14 pm
liv: In English: My fandom is text obsessed / In Hebrew: These are the words (words)
[personal profile] liv
I really wasn't feeling purim this year. I mean, hey, it was fine, I read the Megillah competently, I made sure all the kids had a good time and the adults were unselfconscious enough to enjoy the silliness. And we had a good turn out, and people dressed up and brought food and were generally good sports, and I think that's partly because I've been talking up the festival for a few weeks, and working behind the scenes to make sure people who don't usually bother with regular Friday nights were informed.

I think this may actually be part of the problem; purim isn't a chance for me to have fun these days, it's a big organizational effort to make sure other people have fun. And I can totally phone it in at this point; I've been organizing activities for miscellaneous groups of kids since I ran birthday parties for my younger siblings as a pre-teen myself. I left the Megillah prep a bit too much to the last minute, so I didn't do it as well as I'd like, but, y'know, I totally can read a familiar text from klaf (traditional handwritten document with no vowels or punctuation) even if I leave until the day before to quickly refresh my memory of the tricky bits. I can do a good old (melo)dramatic reading with silly voices and enough expression that people who don't have fluent Hebrew can more or less follow. I can produce silly bouncy enthusiasm on command, and deliver a patter that keeps people amused and entertained and throw some innuendo to the adults in the audience without making the kids feel embarrassed or excluded.

I'm burning the expletive out, though. The community are so supportive and lovely and so grateful when I provide them with what they want out of religion at the moment: straight down the line traditional rituals done with feeling and with samples from my box of "inclusion" tricks. Stuff that's familiar from people's childhoods, but updated just enough that it isn't some boring old man droning on in a language that nobody understands. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to want, and I'm well placed to offer it.

But what I want out of religion is intellectual stimulation, either some discussion of ways to reinvent and reinterpret and challenge the traditions, or some proper text study I can get my teeth into. I'm not gonna get that here, and honestly purim is almost exactly the wrong time for it even in the sort of community that does that kind of thing. But I don't have enough free weekends to go and visit other communities where I can be a participant instead of an organizer; either I'm running things here, or else I'm visiting my friends which I place at a higher priority than shulgoing. I haven't made it to any of the Manchester synagogues in most of a year, nor to pop over to [personal profile] hadassah's placement communities which I've been promising to do for ages. I've occasionally managed to combine visiting my people in Cambridge with attending the very nice, highly intellectual Reform community there, but it's not quite sustaining me. And part of the problem is that work is stressful at the moment and I am, as mentioned, over-committed; even though at lot of my rushing around madly involves doing things I find really fun, I also need more actual relaxing breaks than I'm getting.

Partly, it's buying purim presents for a completely unknown in advance group of children. I never have any idea who's going to turn up, how many, what ages, or, and I wish I didn't have to care, what genders. I don't gender police the kids, far from it, but give me a dozen children I mostly don't know and you can guarantee that some of them will refuse to touch anything even vaguely gender-neutral, let alone if they suspect it's for the wrong gender, and if the kids themselves do express interest in a wrongly gendered toy their parents and grandparents frequently correct them. I try to get a range of stuff, not extending quite out to the extremes of ultra pink, frilly princessy stuff or intensely macho toy weapons and camo designs, and mostly I succeed by avoiding Disney and Disney knock-off branded stuff which I'd want to stay away from anyway, regardless of the gender issue. But then you get things like a two-year-old bypassing all the age-appropriate toys I offered and insisting on the thing he most easily recognized as being "for a boy": a china money-box in the shape of a football, which he promptly broke two minutes later (a china football is not for kicking). My most favourite child is even more my favourite now; I awarded him first prize in the costume contest not because he's my favourite but because he had clearly made an effort to make his own costume, a really excellent Willy Wonka outfit, whereas most of the other kids had bought costumes, and he preferred some glow-stick necklaces over everything officially marketed to nine-year-old boys <3

Then there's the Megillah (book of Esther) itself. Some feminists like it because they read it as portraying misogyny rather than promoting misogyny, but honestly? for a story we make a point of exposing kids to and building a strongly family-oriented celebration around, it contains rather a lot of rape jokes. And a bunch of LOL eunuchs stuff and humour about how effeminate Persian men supposedly are. I'm complaining about this partly because I'm in a bad mood about not having people in my community I can have this discussion with; nobody is surprised that if you read the Bible as a novel it doesn't live up to modern standards of right-on gender politics.

The other thing is drag. Drag is a big feature of purim, fancy dress in general, but particularly cross-dressing. Ages ago I had an argument with a trans friend who claimed that drag-based humour is transphobic, and I was really defensive and I said, no, it's funny when men wear dresses and make-up, that doesn't mean we're laughing at women dressing like conventionally gendered women! But this was very poor reasoning on my part, because in fact the very thing that makes trans women trans is that for at least some part of their lives people incorrectly think they are male. If they're unlucky, people continue thinking they're male even when they are living as their real gender. So now I have to admit my friend had a point and there is a continuum between laughing at trash drag and laughing at trans women. I also don't have a plan for how to make my community a welcoming place to gender non-conforming people while still celebrating purim in a way most people think of as traditional. On the other hand, I am aware of at least some men living in a social and religious context where genderqueer isn't a viable option, who take the prohibition against cross-dressing seriously, and find it really liberating to be able to wear a dress on purim, even if they have to pretend it's a joke.

As for me, well, I dressed up as a pirate. I decided I wanted to be a pirate rather than a pirate wench, partly because drag is in fact a purim tradition. But it turns out that a thigh-length coat, belted, over a rather fitted ruffled shirt (the most piratey thing I happened to have on hand) makes me look really really hourglassy. Which would be fine if I were going for the contrast between the somewhat masculine persona and my natural body shape, but I kind of wasn't, I was shooting for the kind of androgynous that post Johnny Depp pirates represent. I tried to wrap my braid to give a more masculine style that works with long hair, but I didn't get it right. And I know very well I am ridiculously over-thinking this, if dressing up as a pirate for purim gives me gender angst there's really no hope for me.

The other thing that happened is that when I came into the synagogue I was wearing my ordinary winter coat over the costume (it was freezing out), and people could only see that I had a red headscarf and gold hoopy clip-on earrings. So of course they guessed that I'd come as a "gypsy" and made jokes about crossing palms with silver and reading fortunes and stuff. Which made me think of all those American Tumblrs about how totally offensive it is to dress up as an ethnic stereotype for Halloween. I don't very much want to make a big fuss about people's choices of purim costumes, but I'm starting to think maybe I should be firmer about this kind of thing.

I think part of what's going on is that the Jewish community tends to have an image of ourselves as the eternal victims, and therefore any mockery that's going on is automatically mocking the powerful, which is generally felt to be acceptable. Laughing at those drunken, effeminate, incompetent Persians was at some point in history a defence mechanism because the Persian empire was in fact treating its Jewish minority pretty badly. And I'm sure everybody would say I'm being oversensitive for making any kind of connection between essentially fictional Persians and modern-day Iranians, or between drunken slapstick humour and actual real live alcoholics. But I am getting less and less comfortable with gender-based mockery, and there's a ton of that in purim.

Sometimes I've bragged to non-Jewish friends about how purim is the best festival ever, because it involves dressing up in silly costumes and getting drunk. And I do think there's some value in making the point that religion is not always against pleasure or anti-fun. But right now I think purim is the worst festival ever, and the alcohol isn't helping.

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Date: 2013-02-25 06:26 pm (UTC)
angelofthenorth: Two puffins in love (Default)
From: [personal profile] angelofthenorth
I can understand where you're coming from. I miss having a group of people who I could talk intellectually with from time to time about Faith Stuff. Especially the way Liar's Gospel has changed the way I see the gospels and Judaism, and it's opened up loads of questions that I haven't fully-formed yet.

I also see the discomfort with dressing up and the rest. Much love, M

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Date: 2013-02-25 07:04 pm (UTC)
batdina: (jewish deadhead)
From: [personal profile] batdina
thanks for the mention of Liar's Gospel. This is the first I've heard of it and I clearly need to become familiar.

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Date: 2013-02-25 06:46 pm (UTC)
jack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jack
*hugs* I have lots to say but not enough time to say it, remind me to tell you later.

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Date: 2013-02-25 07:09 pm (UTC)
batdina: (orthodykes)
From: [personal profile] batdina
as a general rule, I tend to take a pass on Purim because of the alcohol. this year I read the Megilla for me and the partner-chick, but that was about the extent of our observance. (I tend to think of myself as living in drag, so costumes aren't necessarily appealing in and of themselves.)

then again, I also really understand the burnout factor. I have had a few years off now, so I'm getting ready to be enthusiastic again. But at the time I left work to buckle down and finish Rabbinical school, I was so tired of being enthusiastic about things that offended me that I think it was even obvious to the community, which is not the way I want to be when I do Jewish in public.

I have more, but I'll talk again later.

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Date: 2013-02-25 08:59 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Rachel in hockey gear on the frozen fen at Upware, near Cambridge (Default)
From: [personal profile] rmc28
[I am in helpful-suggestion mode; if you would rather have sympathetic-listening mode then feel free to ignore the rest of this comment.]

On your last point, are there any older women who might listen to you and to whom the older men might listen?

The pretty young women may be facing unwanted physical attention elsewhere in their lives too; do they talk to you about it? can you point them at Captain Awkward on hugging? http://captainawkward.com/2013/02/08/444-do-we-hug-because-my-feeling-is-that-no-we-dont/

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Date: 2013-02-25 07:30 pm (UTC)
ptc24: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ptc24
Drag comedy... one complaint I've heard is that it conditions people to think that certain presentations are inherently funny. I'm not sure I'd quite agree with all of the nuances of that; however, it's in the right area, and drag comedy does seem to be a source of mental images and associations that can certainly contribute to internalised transphobia and almost certainly to the other sort too. OTOH, as you say, various drag traditions have their uses, and I don't think it's good to encourage people to be too scrupulous about these things.

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Date: 2013-02-25 09:21 pm (UTC)
redbird: closeup of me drinking tea, in a friend's kitchen (Default)
From: [personal profile] redbird
It sounds like your congregation wants a rabbi they don't have to pay, not a fellow community member who does some of the leadership stuff and expects to find what she does rewarding.

I'd worry less about mocking the Persians (especially in a community where there's likely to be little connection drawn between ancient Persia and modern Iran) than about how easily those jokes about gypsies slipped out. I think we can guess how the people who made those jokes would react to anyone, even Roma, making jokes about Jewish money-lenders.

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Date: 2013-02-26 02:55 pm (UTC)
jack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jack
I think the problem is that the Persians are being mocked specifically for having insufficiently binary gender roles, and that could hurt people of any ethnicity.

That's what I assumed you meant. Although there are obvious problems with criticising Iranian/Arabic people in general too, I just hoped there wasn't that much of it :)

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Date: 2013-02-25 09:29 pm (UTC)
monanotlisa: symbol, image, ttrpg, party, pun about rolling dice and getting rolling (Default)
From: [personal profile] monanotlisa
You know this, but: It's okay to have mixed or downright negative feelings about a religious holiday, or even a culturally important holiday. This spoke to me:

Laughing at those drunken, effeminate, incompetent Persians was at some point in history a defence mechanism because the Persian empire was in fact treating its Jewish minority pretty badly.

Standing up against The Man and blowing off steam is one thing; it's however not a free pass -- I'm mostly thinking of the in-fighting in another minority group, GLTBTQ folks, where some of the comments and behaviour patterns from certain folks stun me.

But yeah, I'm super-sensitive regarding gender portrayals too (mostly because I genuinely believe they inform so many of the ills of our world: homophobia, sexism, and so on).

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Date: 2013-02-25 11:22 pm (UTC)
hatam_soferet: (Default)
From: [personal profile] hatam_soferet
Hugs.

I have too much burnout to engage with most things religion-related, at the moment. I'm recovering slowly, and when I've recovered a bit more, I think that having some intellectual chewies with you might be part of how I equilibriate.

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Date: 2013-02-26 09:10 am (UTC)
atreic: (Default)
From: [personal profile] atreic
*hugs*

Here, have some sucking eggs comments.

* It's OK to put your energy into helping the community doing things you like and are good at and not into more soul sapping stuff. If you spot a pattern of Purim always being difficult, you can do Lots of Stuff, but Not Purim.

* I sympathise a lot with being crazy-busy and not having time. Are there places that give you the textual discussion and intellectual stimulation without physically being there? I'm imagining internet discussion forums, or maybe an IRC meeting, or a skype meeting with other cool people, which you could do for 45 minutes in an evening maybe? It won't help with that painful 'these people, why don't they get this?' though.

* Even if you feel like you're biting your tongue all the time, you're probably setting a great example even with the little things you say and do. The old men may never change, but glow stick boy will be greatful for it :-)

* I think you're right, part of the reason drag is funny because of bad-gender-stuff TM. I am trying to think of an example of healthy fancy dress, but it's weird - mad scientists mock science, princesses have classism built in etc etc. I guess the answer is that fancy dress is good, because it's fun to dress up and pretend to be someone else for a bit. And fancy dress can be healthily funny, just because 'Fred dressing in a way Fred doesn't normally dress' is funny, whether that's 'in a dress' or 'as a pirate', without value judgements on dresses or pirates or Fred's normal dress.

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Date: 2013-02-26 02:51 pm (UTC)
jack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jack
Even if you feel like you're biting your tongue all the time, you're probably setting a great example even with the little things you say and do. The old men may never change, but glow stick boy will be greatful for it :-)

Yes, very much this. Don't feel bad you can't do everything, you are almost certainly having a good effect just by having your current attitudes at all, and even if you can't drag everyone up to that standard, don't discount the benefit you already give by getting some of that across to people.

And fancy dress can be healthily funny, just because 'Fred dressing in a way Fred doesn't normally dress' is funny, whether that's 'in a dress' or 'as a pirate', without value judgements on dresses or pirates or Fred's normal dress.

Yeah. I think that's right, but it's hard to see what's funny in an affectionate way, and what's funny in a potentially nasty way, and it can be quite fluid. (Of course, there are probably non-funny costumes which are ok, but there's normally an expectation it's a little bit funny.)

One of my friends went to a "nerd party", where people ironically dressed up as nerds. Which to me was quite funny but quite surreal, since essentially everyone I know has nerd parties non-ironically :)

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Date: 2013-02-26 02:23 pm (UTC)
jack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jack
I think part of what's going on is that the Jewish community tends to have an image of ourselves as the eternal victims, and therefore any mockery that's going on is automatically mocking the powerful, which is generally felt to be acceptable.

Yeah. I think that's very understandable, but it's very easy to miss when you may have started to mock people who have a serious capacity for being hurt by it (whether they're more or less marginalised by you).

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Date: 2013-02-26 02:43 pm (UTC)
jack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jack
So of course they guessed that I'd come as a "gypsy"

*hugs* I have no idea how to deal with things like that. I want to object, but I know I'm likely to be wading into something I don't understand if I did.

But FWIW, I think you can't ALWAYS have a good response, and it's ok to try to work out in advance what you might say to get the point raised without seeming too critical if it comes up again.

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Date: 2013-02-26 04:53 pm (UTC)
khalinche: (Default)
From: [personal profile] khalinche
*hug* That certainly sounds like a combination of factors to get you down.

Drag is fraught, isn't it? I invited some people over the other night specifying that drag would be preferred and got responses ranging from 'I find some forms of drag actively distressing and will therefore not come' (from someone who has at least in the past identified as genderqueer) to 'yay drag!' (from their partner) and 'I am afraid to come because I don't want to be expected to wear drag or be the only one not in drag' (from a feminism-hating straight man). I thought about saying 'come in drag unless you would find it actively distressing or undermining of your gender identity' but hoped that would be read into it anyway.

I do see some of the problems with it, like the idea that masculine-looking people in feminine clothes are ludic and hypersexualised, and I would definitely like to discuss it more, but there is also a fascinating history of assigned-male people performing as unreal women and clearly finding it empowering and fun. One to add to the stack of 'topics to read up on when there is time'.

*more hugs*

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Date: 2013-02-26 05:59 pm (UTC)
jack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jack
*hugs* Oh dear, that was a mess :(

It also seems like one of the times when trying to propose an official rule may be borrowing trouble. Maybe a "no large crowds of drunken homophobes" rule would have been sufficient, without trying to turn that into an "objective" rule of "no crossdressing".

Edit: (There are times when subjectivity can be very open to abuse, but there are times when an objective rule is overkill.)
Edited Date: 2013-02-26 06:00 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2013-02-26 06:24 pm (UTC)
khalinche: (Default)
From: [personal profile] khalinche
I wish I had more that was helpful to say about burnout and getting the right kind of religious stimulation, too, but I really don't know anything about that, although the way you've explained it does make it very clear what you're missing: I guess it's a little bit like interpreter-depth interrogation/knowledge about culture vs anthropologist depth. Interpreters are rightly expected to be able to communicate with cultural nuances intact and make assumptions explicit by knowing about local variances, and that's interesting, but it's a long way from the kind of deep theoretical engagement and knowledge you get in a good ethnography. And as with your case the solution of reading more anthropology books to compensate doesn't feel nearly as enriching as actually having discussions with anthropologist colleagues or peers.

So, another thing about the drag party, which turned out not to be very focused on drag, was that all the people who did come in drag were women or genderqueer people usually read as women (I hope I'm not outing anyone), who seemed to really enjoy dressing up. There were a couple of excellent black tie style smart outfits in keeping with gender identity, but basically the men who attended were all reluctant to drag up whereas many of the women were keen. Probably that says more about the kind of women I know than anything else, but it is kind of interesting that putting on ties, waistcoats, fake facial hair etc was perceived as fun and not likely to result in ridicule.

I think you do have a point with the protochronism (excellent $10 word meaning 'we did it first') of purim dress-up compared to other forms of it - but from what you say, a large part of what you found difficult is the overlaying of gender essentialism by contemporary kids and their parents. I guess this is something like the ongoing war of attrition that right-on parents experience when their kids are assailed by gender binary normativity all the time? Not that I'm saying 'parents have it worse because they are dealing with this all the time', but rather, you might find some sympathetic annoyance from parents who know exactly what you mean!

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Date: 2013-02-26 06:27 pm (UTC)
khalinche: (Default)
From: [personal profile] khalinche
That does all sound fairly horrendous, btw, but it's also interesting because straight men being dressed up in women's clothing as punishment or titillation also has a long and distinguished erotic history. I believe fans refer to it as 'petticoat discipline'.

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Date: 2013-02-26 11:33 pm (UTC)
mirrorshard: (Lammas print)
From: [personal profile] mirrorshard
I have no useful comments on either the religious aspects (though I'd love to be able to) or the community management aspects of this, but I can very much relate to your gender wibble, if from the opposite direction. I like drag in principle, but I'm also a perfectionist and I never feel it even remotely works for me. (I have Thoughts on this, inchoate and confused, but should really write them up soon.)

Also, the Purim tradition of mocking the powerful is making me think of a very early version of 'Allo 'Allo.

[Edit: and the thing I originally thought of, but then forgot before posting, was the long tradition of men wearing womens' clothing as a disguise when in rebellion, like the Merched Beca in my part of Wales.]

One possible thought on potentially making the event more fun as well as organizy: would it be possible for you to plan & introduce new aspects?
Edited Date: 2013-02-26 11:35 pm (UTC)

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