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Went to hear a talk about how different mutations in the same gene (to do with the semi-rigid network that holds cell nuclei together) can cause a whole range of different diseases: neurological degeneration, heart failure, muscular dystrophies, premature ageing, and problems of fat metabolism. Apparently in one form of the last, patients with inherited mutations are normal until puberty, and then lose most of their subcutaneous fat, instead accumulating body fat in the liver and pancreas. They end up with problems similar to diabetes and chronic heart failure, due to too much fat in places it's not supposed to be as well as too little where it's meant to be.

We heard that the condition is far more readily diagnosed in girls than boys, and indeed that a girl will often be picked up and then her brothers turn out to have the same problem when investigated. Why? Because if a teenaged boy suddenly loses all the fat from his limbs, the uncovered muscles give the appearance of being "cut", and prominent muscles are desirable for teenaged boys. But if a similar process happens to a girl, she panics because her arms and legs are becoming all ugly and muscly, and rushes to the doctor.

The (American) lecturer regarded this as vaguely amusing. But I find it really rather sad, the idea that having visible muscles is such a terrible tragedy for girls. (OK, in this case it is the symptom of a serious disease, but in the early stages there's no reason to think that.) It makes me wonder just how many girls are avoiding doing exercise to make sure their limbs stay soft and unmuscular.

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Date: 2009-02-22 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-next.livejournal.com
I think it's sad too, although I am perhaps not really qualified to comment, because I am one of those women who can exercise as much as they like and don't develop visible, "knotty" musculature. When I was regularly cycling long-distance, I had extremely strong legs, but nobody would have guessed until I kicked them. ;-)

Having said that, on the bright side I've never heard of girls avoiding exercise for that reason, since you have to do a great deal of exercise to develop obvious muscles. Most of the ones I know go to the gym in droves because they are terrified of becoming overweight, which is... hang on... equally depressing. Oh dear!

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Date: 2009-02-22 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jacquic.livejournal.com
But *at* the gym, girls don't tend to do the heavy weights to develop muscles like the guys do.

A couple of times I've joined a gym (I think it's probably a good idea in theory to keep fit, but the practice never quite pans out) and when you do the induction they just *assume* that because I'm female I don't want to do weights, and that they'll have to persuade me to do any at all, because of this fear of muscly bulking up.

I agree that it's sad! Who says what we should look like?

Maybe this view arose (subconsciously) because men are seen as the people who "should" be going out doing things (developing muscle thereby) while women "should" be at home doing the baking (unless it's very heavy cake, probably not much muscling involved).

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Date: 2009-02-22 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-next.livejournal.com
When I was married, my husband needed to lose some weight (quite a lot of weight, actually), and he joined a gym for this purpose. I have never been very interested in gyms because I'd rather do something that was fun and also happened to involve exercise, like cycling, rather than exercise for the sake of it, but I went along with him to support him. I was actually encouraged to do weights, insofar as I could. (I should explain that, unlike my legs, my arms are very weak because I have a long-term problem affecting my wrists; I've developed them enough that I can now carry quite a heavy weight hooked over my left elbow, but I can't pull or twist to any great extent with my hands.)

But I have never been to any other gym, so this one may have been atypical - I don't know.

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Date: 2009-02-22 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jacquic.livejournal.com
Oh, poor you! My mother has a similar problem - she blames it on being bored when pregnant with me and doing jewelry making and knitting to pass the time. It makes me feel very useful when I go to visit and get to open bottles and jam jars and things!

And I should say that the list of gyms I've joined is also very small (two!) so statistically we're not a great sample :)

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Date: 2009-02-22 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-next.livejournal.com
Some of the gadgets I use may help your mother. I have:

- A thing called the Boa Constrictor, which is basically a very thick strip of rubber with one end firmly attached to a handle and the other end passing through an adjacent slot. Tighten it round the top of a jar or bottle, and it will grip it very nicely for you. I can open most jars with this.

- A handy little lever thingamajig that breaks the vacuum seal on jars; if the Boa Constrictor doesn't work first time, that will usually sort it.

- A stippled gripper pad (ooh, assonance!) made of silicone. Since this is also heatproof, it has a multitude of uses.

I did also have an electric can opener, but I very rarely use cans these days and the ones I do use have a pull tab, which I find easier (though I have another gadget for dealing with more recalcitrant pull tabs, which I occasionally need). Generally I get my gadgets from Lakeland Limited (http://www.lakeland.co.uk/), who are a good kitchenware firm in general, and in particular very thoughtful about catering for the slightly less abled. :-)

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Date: 2009-02-22 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jacquic.livejournal.com
Oh, how very useful! Thank you so much :)

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Date: 2009-02-22 08:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] siderea
Oooh! Commenting to get this emailed to me.

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Date: 2009-02-22 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-next.livejournal.com
Glad to be able to help! I have had this problem for not far short of twenty years now, so if my experience with it can be of any use to other people, that's great.

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Date: 2009-02-23 11:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
I want to be able to lift heavy things, so I've been reading about weight training. It seem that On Average women develop much less visible musculature even when training with heavy weights, apparently prominent muscles are easier to get if you have lots of testosterone or something.

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